It’s brief, around 25:15

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf7XHR3EVHo

If you’ve been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.

Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they’re excited about the idea. I’ve really enjoyed reading through them :)

  • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    6·
    14 days ago

    I wish he had mentioned Lemmy, but it’s understandable that he didn’t. Also Bluesky isn’t an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn’t stealing so much of our publicity lately.

    But beggars can’t be choosers, and we have seen some nice growth over the past couple months. John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        14 days ago

        I’m really not happy about bluesky their fragmentation of the fediverse protocols

        shrug, I wish they were with us, but they are also a big ole corporate entity, so I’m kind ok with us staying our our side of the fence. As they need to implement payment and corporate protections to their network, we’re free to be free over here.

        is only going to harm us in the long run.

        We don’t have to play ball. not with them anyway,

        I think, If we have any credible threat, it’s going to be from the Governmental gross anti-tampering laws, forced moderation, or backup regulations. They could make it legally difficulty for us to exist.

        • kudra@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          13 days ago

          I think, If we have any credible threat, it’s going to be from the Governmental gross anti-tampering laws, forced moderation, or backup regulations. They could make it legally difficulty for us to exist

          This. I have considerable concern that Fascists will straight up ban Fedi if enough people shift to it. They don’t like not being able to control everything, Fedi is far too much actual freedom of communication.

    • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
      2·
      14 days ago

      Also Bluesky isn’t an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn’t stealing so much of our publicity lately.

      This; I’m so sick of hearing it pop up when people mention alternatives.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        14 days ago

        I’m not sure anyone mentions bluesky as an alternative to big tech.

        Pretty sure they only mention it as an alternative to musk/X.

        • Pika@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          0·
          14 days ago

          This right here, the everyday person doesn’t know what federation is let alone believes that it’s an alternative to federated platforms. They see it as a better Twitter that’s not run by Musk and honestly that’s all they need to know.

          • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            14 days ago

            Holy shit! A sane rational Lemmy user in the /c/Fediverse community! Someone who sees the bigger picture, and isn’t just reacting to this small niche area of the internet.

            Look, I love Lemmy, but I can’t sit by and act like just because something is a better service, and makes logical sense to use, that people will ever have even heard of it. That’s not how PEOPLE work. Yes, Lemmy is better than reddit. But no, Lemmy will not overtake reddit in usercount maybe in my lifetime. Unless reddit gets sold, and then plummets into death like myspace did. Then Lemmy wins by default, but it’s not the same thing.

            And everyone (well, everyone but you I guess) most people on this community seems to miss all that.

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.

      Too late - we are already here!:-P

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        • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.socialEnglish
          1·
          14 days ago

          I think he plays the awkward card to actual cringe levels at times but I’ll also watch Cody’s Showdy so that can’t be it entirely.

          Can’t say I love him, but I do appreciate the work he does.

          • Twista713@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            14 days ago

            Haha, yeah Cody has definitely made me cringe out of discomfort before. I haven’t watched that guy in awhile! Appreciate the reminder. And Oliver can get close to that level too, for sure.

    • Balder@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      Do you really think Lemmy could handle the amount of people that Reddit has?

      As far as I know the existing instances are usually running on capacity and always in need of donations, and that’s when the owner isn’t handling the costs themselves. I’m not sure how well most instances have right now.

      Maybe Lemmy would benefit of some way to get people to pay, such as purchasing the ability to give people awards etc. like Reddit. Despite being useless stuff, it might provide some fun that would make hardcore users want to pay. But for that to work out, all apps would also need to show the posts awarded in a different way, so I think that’s unlikely.

      But the point is that without a business model, the Fediverse will only be able to handle a limited number of enthusiasts before it faces scaling problems.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        14 days ago

        Do you really think Lemmy could handle the amount of people that Reddit has?

        yup. no question. Not one instance mind you, but Reddit is also a giant cluster. (and clusterfuck)

        As far as I know the existing instances are usually running on capacity and always in need of donations,

        We just need the big bois to stop stuffing themselves. There’s 0 reason to have 2/3 of the totally traffic flooding into world because people are scared of Federation that they never even have to deal with.

        Maybe Lemmy would benefit of some way to get people to pay, such as purchasing the ability to give people awards etc.

        Maybe we make some premium pay servers with baller architecture, killer response time, user capacity limits and high speed storage?

        But the point is that without a business model, the Fediverse will only be able to handle a limited number of enthusiasts before it faces scaling problems.

        Eventually, it’s going to be ads, donations or payments. It’s all someone else’s computer, someone has to foot the bill. But at great scale, you should be able to have an ad-free experience for something in the range a dollar or two a month.

        • PriorityMotif@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          14 days ago

          It costs me less than $10/mo to run mine and some of that is because I have to pay for an email forwarder until my hosting provider lets me start sending emails, part of that is factoring the cost of the domain name. The actual cloud server costs $5/mo right now.

        • Balder@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          14 days ago

          I wouldn’t mind having some ads, but I wonder how some more extremists users would react.

          But I strongly believe that depending on donations is a very tough place to be, it places the burden of “begging” on the instance owners, which are already doing all the work and should definitely be compensated somehow.

    • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      Indirectly, looking up “John Oliver Mastodon” brings up this post in the top few. “John Oliver Pixelfed” has this post as the first option

      So we’re not completely left out :)

    • anachronology@fedia.io
      1·
      14 days ago

      Agreed, but at least Bluesky is a public benefit corporation, so it supposed to take in the needs of society as well as profit in its decision-making. That may not be much, but it’s a start.

      • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        14 days ago

        I’m not familiar with the details of that, but it seems like more of a red herring to me. A form of controlled opposition to divert people away from truly revolutionary platforms.

        Of course it has to seem like a plausible alternative, but is it actually decentralized or altruistic enough to make a meaningful difference? I think not.

        • Evkob (they/them)@lemmy.caEnglish
          31·
          14 days ago

          “Public benefit corporation” is such an oxymoron, I know it’s cliché to say this but it reads like something out of 1984.

          If your goal is truly to benefit the public, why wouldn’t you start a non-profit? It’s because they want profits, which will always be at odds with the interests of the public.

          • Revan343@lemmy.caEnglish
            11·
            14 days ago

            If your goal is truly to benefit the public, why wouldn’t you start a non-profit?

            Because your non-profit isn’t likely to go anywhere; Capitalists don’t give significant money to non-profits, but they’ll invest in a public benefit corporation because of the potential for profit. The corporation can then take their money and use it for whatever public benefit it intends to work towards. It’s a workaround to try and scrape some benefit to society out of capital, that otherwise wouldn’t exist.

            Whether Bluesky is actually a good example of a public benefit corporation or not, I have no idea, I don’t use it.

      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        14 days ago

        “Public benefit corporation” is a meaningless designation. All it means is they have the option of putting their mission over their shareholders, not that they are obligated to do so.

    • unknown1234_5@kbin.earth
      1·
      13 days ago

      mastodon is already the next twitter, bluesky is just a direct copy of it with nothing keeping it from going the same way. mastodon is open source (can’t be corpoed), federated (can talk to other platforms/instances so being on a small one doesn’t hurt anything), and most importantly, uses a protocol that doesn’t make self-hosting impossible due to storage requirements.

    • commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
      0·
      13 days ago

      Why bluesky instead of mastodon? It’s like saying lemmy.world is going to replace reddit instead of the Lemmy platform.

      Are you just commenting how the people who use something like twitter are eager to be herded like sheep into the next walled garden?

      Are you part of the bluesky viral marketing campaign to make it artificially seem like it’s “already won”?

      • Dojan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        I’m wondering this too People are hyped about bluesky but it is the same corpo bullshit that Twitter is. I mean it is literally by the same dude. Why fold?,

    • NotLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      13 days ago

      My recent experience bluesky social was right wing. I got marked as spam immediately for commenting left wing, polite normal stuff, no arguments or anything controversial. My appeals were ignored for weeks so I left.

      • doingthestuff@lemy.lolEnglish
        1·
        12 days ago

        Interesting info, thank you. It isn’t FOSS so I don’t plan on actively using it but I try to keep my finger on what’s up. I don’t miss Reddit and wish I didn’t need a FB for my job. My account is almost a ghost though and I don’t have it on my phone. I’m sure they still have way too much data on me though.

  • GaMEChld@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    14 days ago

    Can anyone explain Bluesky vs Mastodon as Twitter alternatives, asking as someone who never really used Twitter much anyway?

    • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
      1·
      13 days ago

      On the surface, both of them look very similar in format. They also both advertise themselves as decentralized and different from traditional social media, arguing that they won’t face the same problems old social media did.

      Mastodon uses ActivityPub, which is the widely used standard that most other fediverse platforms use. Mastodon is properly decentralized, where all the servers can interact and operate independently.

      BlueSky made their own protocol that they control, citing that ActivityPub wasn’t enough for what they wanted to do, and in some ways that’s true. However with their structure, a central relay is needed in order for different instances to interact and so people argue that it isn’t truly decentralized. Right now BlueSky is either the only instance, or basically the only instance. They’ve mentioned that they could transfer control of the relay to some other organization, but past that I don’t think they’ve taken any steps towards that.

      BlueSky is also a VC backed company while Mastodon is now under a nonprofit. BlueSky has its roots in crypto tech. There is more technical discussion on if it’s even possible to have a decentralized BlueSky and if it’s all just talk while they gather users.

      My personal opinion is that I really hope bluesky does what they’re promising, but I’m not expecting them to be any different than Twitter once they get a critical mass of users and the investors demand profits / infinite growth.

      • PieMePlenty@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        Bluesky is what happens when someone with a corporate mindset wants to make something new and good. Mastodon happens when hobbyists get together and make something. Ive heard BlueSky has a board of people in charge to make sure it doesn’t end up like twitter. Exactly what one would expect a company to do. Make sure something doesnt go wrong? Put a few people in charge. Mastodon just has the whole community. I may be wrong here as I dont use either. Right now Im just wondering what will happen when BlueSkys provider comes knocking with the hosting bill. As mass social media migrations are rare, its just a shame people are leaving twitter for another big tech site instead of something more community grown.

      • A Wild Mimic appears!@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        from what i understand, a decentralized bluesky is nothing for an enduser at all.

        TL;DR: the cost for an enduser to run a bluesky instance will soon be prohibitive because of the amount of storage needed owed to its shared heap architecture. but what it does is to provide a “credible exit” - if users lose trust or the company shutters, there’s nothing in the way of another organisation picking up the mantle and continue from there on.

      • lepinkainen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        For me the advantage of Bluesky is that I can own my identity. I can reserve myusername@mydomain.tld and use that, without having to run my own instance.

        With Mastodon I’d have to put up a full-ass server instance and worry about federation etc just to have my “own” identity instead of myusername@mastodon.social or something

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      It’s fun for now until the state gets a hold of it. They’ll be over here sooner or later, just let them trickle in and get everyone used to it.

  • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.alEnglish
    1·
    13 days ago

    Does that Late Show Last Week Tonight with John Oliver have a presence in the Fediverse?

    • astro_ray@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      Someone on mastodon told me, if you haven’t found someone on fedi, you are probably not looking hard enough. But no, I don’t think they are on fedi

  • legolas@fedit.plEnglish
    1·
    14 days ago

    It’s crazy how the wind changed. Does anyone remeber the almost exact same thing 4 years ago, when people on the right side of political spectrum shared alternatives to big tech from their point ov view? GAB.COM, PARLER, BRAVE, DUCKDUCKGO etc

    XD

      • Otter@lemmy.caOPEnglish
        1·
        14 days ago

        DDG and Brave were pushed as “censorship free” alternatives, back when I was looking into covid disinformation, because the very obviously fake websites would sometimes rank higher on them

        There may be more to it though

    • misk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      14 days ago

      In both cases it was primarily performative for Americans but this time there will be considerable chunk of Europeans who will be looking to leave big tech for services in non-hostile countries.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        14 days ago

        Brave’s business model is a crypto scam wrapped in a protection racket. It man-in-the-middles the site’s ads, replacing them with Brave’s own, then holds the revenue hostage unless the site gives legitimacy to Brave’s crypto by accepting it as payment.

        For comparison, “normal” ad-blocking consists of an end-user exercising his property right to control the operation of his own computer by programming it not to display the ads at all.

        Hopefully you can see how the thing Brave does is very different, and much more ethically fraught.

  • Victor@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    13 days ago

    Really hoping legislators in Sweden don’t force Signal to pull its services from the country. 🫣

    • Vinstaal0@feddit.nlEnglish
      0·
      13 days ago

      What legislation would do that? Would they want access to your messages or something?

    • badmin@lemm.eeEnglish
      0·
      13 days ago

      Signal has been questionable for years. The way it’s been pushed hardly, and how Moxie is emeritus, while much more questionable people are in control, doesn’t fill one with confidence, and does ring some alarm bells. The relative proximity to some in the US establishment should be enough to do that. And the way some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as “Russian Propaganda” and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.

      Frankly, I would trust something like Wire more than Signal. And there are other options too.

      Ideally, something with good security/privacy and is fully P2P would become popular. But those apps/networks never make it mainstream, which is unfortunate.

      • Victor@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        13 days ago

        There is a lot in here that I don’t understand.

        1. What’s wrong with Moxie? You mean it’s weird he’s an emeritus and not part of the board?
        2. What’s “much more questionable” about the other people? From the descriptions on that page they all seem like standup people.
        3. Could you explain the “relative proximity to some in the US establishment” bit? That was too vague for me to grasp.
        4. “some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as ‘Russian Propaganda’ and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.” — Who has done this, you mean? And why exactly is it “curious”?

        Honestly, there was nothing at all in there that I understood, due to how vague it all was. I would appreciate it if you or someone could fill me in here, because it’s important to know who’s driving this thing, and if the platform can be trusted. I just want to not go by some vague rumors before I make up my mind.