I’m looking across at the olympic peninsula right now from victoria right now and it really just settled in for me that losing that might actually be possible.
I would literally be willing to die trying to save the hoh rainforest.
Am I overreacting here?
Aside from nuclear weapons you are describing practically every nation state since ever, especially post Industrial Revolution. To the point that the argument is useless. The US is just as bad as Britain, France, Spain, the Dutch, the history of the Russian empire, Japan, china, the current state of many African counties etc etc!
It’s also worth mentioning how the US is such strong allies with the very country they dropped a bomb on and helped with reconstruction through and beyond the Meiji era and continued to be an ally to Japan…
No one anywhere near this thread is advocating for those thing so what are you getting at other than saying boo! ghosts!? Sooo…
As a Brit I say that it doesn’t make it ok that my country did shit things cause another did, I also look at our current behaviour. We are both still doing bad, shitty things.
USA rebuilt Japan to stop communism.
Nothing makes the past okay. Citing the past nihilistically only makes the future worse.
Your opinion of why the US did something only serves to discredit why they should ever do anything or the net benefit of those actions regardless of intent.
The US could help eradicate AIDS, is that evidence of compassion, soft power, or imperialism?
Point is… why argue against eradicating a plague?
You’ve been a shitty country in the past and you’re a shitty country now. What are you trying to achieve by saying other countries do bad things too?
Simple if you choose to cite rando shit from centuries ago you’re not actually engaging.
It’s called low hanging fruit and apparently it’s the best you got. Take it up with the Dutch? I mean they raped the Congo… are you okay with rape? You never mentioned them in your recount of history.
Fact is the US fucking sucks because of current shit aka republicans. Blanket statements and blandly waving hands towards the past few centuries doesn’t help at all.
I haven’t got a clue what you’re trying to achieve here…other countries did bad things, I know. But we aren’t talking about those countries, so I don’t understand why you’d bring them up.
Nor have I mentioned “the past few centuries”…there’s no need.
Can you enlighten me as to what your objective is?
I am talking about a single country, yet you can’t seem to focus on a single timeframe.
You mention centuries old generalized stuff such that it could be applied to most any nation. Do you not remember this?
Then you said…
We’re taking about now. Not the 1800s. So one more time for the backseats…
Saying the US had slavery to make a point is lazy and doesn’t help the here and now. Yea those things happened, they fucking sucked, and they should be condemned on their own merit alone. Using them to end a conversation on current issues is poor form and low hanging fruit. Especially when you generalize such that most every industrialized nation is just as guilty. The fact is that guilt isn’t the end of the story. Ask Germany
Genocide and slavery are happening now.
We are specifically talking about USA. You keep mentioning other countries.
Your comments have nothing to do with post title, nor do they help, as you can’t tell me what your point is…. Night.
Are atomic bombs being dropped now too?
That’s referring to current events?
Point is you were writing off a lot of people with a flimsy blanket statement that would only Hold water if it was current and unique. It’s neither hence LOW hanging fruit and not worth it