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It’s not impossible, been running my own email server for about 10 years and I inbox pretty much everywhere. I even emailed my work address and straight to inbox. I do have the full SPF, DKIM and DMARC stuff set up, for which I get notices from several email provides of failed spoof attempts.

Takes a while and effort to gain that reputation, but it’s doable. And OVH’s IPs don’t exactly have a great reputation either. Once you’re delisted from most spam databases / old spam reputation is expired, it’s not that bad.

Although I do agree it’s possibly one of the hardest services to self host. The software to run email servers is ancient and weird, and takes a lot to set up right. If you get it wrong you relay spam and start over, it’s rough.

I’m just curious if ‘B’ still retrieves the content from ‘A’ to show in user feeds.

It works the other way around: instance A pushes the content to instance B. Therefore if A defederates B, then obviously A ain’t gonna be pushing the content.

There’s an edge case where instance C is involved: A could comment on a post on C, and then C would forward it to B as well. But then B wouldn’t be allowed to fetch the user profile from A anyway and might just drop it regardless. I’m not sure the particular way Lemmy handles this.

Ordered two drives from them, came in very well packaged and even included the PWDIS adapter. Very good deals. Could throw the box across the yard and the drives would probably survive.

As a starting point. Are there any hardware recommendations for a toy home server?

Whatever you already have. Old desktop, even old laptop (those come with a built-in battery backup!). Failing what, Raspberry Pis are pretty popular and cheap and low power consumption, which makes it great if you’re not sure how much you want to spend.

Otherwise, ideally enough to run everything you need based on rough napkin math. Literally the only requirement is that the stuff you intend to run fits on it. For reference, my primary server which hosts my Lemmy instance (and emails and NextCloud and IRC and Matrix and Minecraft) is an old Xeon processor close to a third gen Intel i7 with 32GB of DDR3 memory, there’s 5 virtual machines on it (one of which is the Lemmy one), and it feels perfectly sufficient for my needs. I could make it work with half of that no problem. My home lab machine is my wife’s old Dell OptiPlex.

Speaking of virtual machines, you can test the waters on your regular PC by just loading whatever OS you choose in a virtual machine (libvirt if you’re on Linux, VirtualBox or VMware otherwise). Then play with it. When it works makes a snapshot. Continue playing with it, break it, revert to the last good snapshot. A real home server will basically be the same but as a real machine that’s on 24/7. It’s also useful to test things out as a practice run before putting them on your real server machine. It’s also give you a rough idea how much resources it uses, and you can always grow your VM until it fits and then know how much you need for the real thing.

Don’t worry too much about getting it right (except the backups, get those right, verify and test those regularly). You will get it wrong and eventually tear it down and rebuild it better what what you learn (or want to learn). Once you gain more experience it’ll start looking more and more like a real server setup, out of your own desire and needs.

I feel like a lot of the answers in this thread are throwing a lot of things with a lot of moving parts: Unraid, Docker, YunoHost, all that stuff. Those all still require generally knowing what the hell a Docker container is, how to use them and such.

I wouldn’t worry about any of that and start much simpler than that: just grab any old computer you want to be your home server or rent a VPS and start messing with it. Just pick something you think would be cool to run at home. Anything you run on your personal computer you wish was up 24/7? Start with that.

Ultimately there’s no right or wrong way to do things. It’s all about that learning experience and building up that experience over time. You get good by trying out things, failing and learning. Don’t want to learn Linux? Put Windows on it. You’ll get a lot of flack for it maybe, but at the very least over time you’ll probably learn why people don’t use Windows for server stuff generally. Or maybe you’ll like it, that happens too.

Just pick a project and see it to completion. Although if you start with NextCloud and expose it publicly, maybe wait to be more comfortable with the security aspect before you start putting copies of your taxes and personal documents on it just in case.

What would you like to self host to get started?

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They have no business collecting any data in the first place. If I wanted my data collected I’d be using Chrome like everyone else. I’m not choosing to use their buggy ass inferior and slower browser for any of Mozilla’s services, I’m choosing it because I want to support non-Chromium browsers and regain my privacy.

There’s no point whatsoever to using Firefox if it’s just a worse Chrome.

Nope. The protocol is way too public for shadowbanning.

You can be banned by other instances than your home instance, when that happens no new post/comment from you will federate to that instance in particular but the others still sees it as normal.

For example, I could ban you on my instance, and I wouldn’t see anything from you ever again, but my instance would be the only instance to see that ban.

If you get banned from LW or lemmy.ml then a lot of people won’t see you so that could definitely feel like a shadow ban, but there’s nothing shadow about it you can see it in the mod log.

Good luck with “exhaustive” because people have different unique reasons to come to the fediverse. It would be a very long list.

For the average user I’d approach it with points that affects everyone:

• We can’t have a Twitter-style take over
• We can’t have a Reddit API disaster
• It’s distributed so while parts of the fediverse come and go, you’ll never lose the platform as a whole.
• It’s distributed geographically so one hostile country can’t silence information from other countries like Facebook and Twitter are doing.
• No algorithms designed to keep you scrolling forever
• No ads or commercial content being pushed by the algorithm
• Loads of choices for instances and moderation style for everyone’s taste.
• Users get to choose how they want to browse and with which apps: you’re not stuck with the latest crappy redesign you hate. You’ll never be forced to have reels and stories in your feed if you don’t want that.
• Not controlled by big corporations like Meta and Google, but rather the community for the community.
• If you have sensitive communities you can own the servers to ensure it’s survival in situations where Facebook would immediately ban that page/group.
• No bullshit AI products shoved in your face like Grok or Reddit Answers.
• You as a user are in control of what you see and don’t see.
• No advertiser friendly content policies forcing you to use stupid words like “unalive”, “pewpew”, “corn” or algorithmic downprioritization because you swore.
• If you prefer to browse Instagram-like, you still get to see Twitter-like post, and you friends can see your photos from a Twitter-like interface. Or you can have a Twitter-like interface and interact with Reddit-like posts on Lemmy.

It’s harder to onboard and figure out by the common people but it would be the final platform switch. You may move instances over time but you will never be left looking for a new platform because the old one enshittified. You just move to an instance that hasn’t, done.