I don’t understand how Israel gets to be so special. I also don’t get how any other nation would accept anything less, especially once the deal with Israel proved it (politically) can be done. Technical feasibility shouldn’t even be in question.
Well, I guess it’s nice that militaries get to “own nothing and be happy” too.
Because the assumption is that if Canada ever goes against US wishes, it means Canada is an enemy, and the kill switch goes off, but if Israel ever goes against US wishes, it means some lefty pinko commie got into office, and we must protect Israel’s role in the rapidly approaching rapture!
Ugh. This is the explanation I buy. It’s the only one more powerful than the constant drive for economic dominance demanding absolute control of everything.
It’s actually a very telling carve-out, and I have no idea what it’s doing so far down in the article. It should have been front and center.
The only two logical conclusions I can see are:
Israel is so sharp with their negotiation that they spotted and fought for something that it just didn’t occur to anyone else would be something worth worrying about (possible, I guess.)
We already know that Israel is fucked without us, F-35s or no, so there’s no particular reason we would need to separately ensure that their F-35s are fucked without us.
I very much suspect that it’s the second one. Which indicates that the lock-in was an intentional decision, and one that actually would make quite a bit of sense on reflection.
I think it is far more likely that some other country would fall out of our good graces than that the US government might become anti-Israeli-genocide.
(I am not saying you’re wrong as far as the Israeli calculus or that factoring into their decision. Just that, as far as my own calculus, they don’t really have any need to get concerned.)
Biden made some meek complaints about 2000lb bombs being used in dense urban environment. Israel had to put up with a couple of weeks delay on more of them. They signed contract in 2010. Maybe DNC could have chosen Bernie instead of HRC (just kidding).
Oh, hello! I didn’t even notice it was you when I was replying. Good to see you found a way to shoehorn “Biden” and “DNC” and “Hillary” into this totally related topic. You did it real smoothly, too, it totally wasn’t some random hard turn into a rant about US politics and your favorite politicians from the US to talk about. Nice.
Israel’s genocidal ambitions were always there. Knowing the absolute control over US rulership and their ability to maintain genocide support through advances in mind control was not known in 2010.
The US rulership’s wildly successful tactics of mind control, specifically as pertains to Israel, really haven’t changed much since Noam Chomsky was writing about them in 1988.
That’s actually part of the problem: New techniques in mind control have been being developed, including organized mass shilling on social media, and the US government hasn’t really gotten the hang of how to do it effectively. As a result they’ve lost control to a large extent over the US populace. However, the people who are now gaining control are somehow even worse than the pro-genocide contingent who were in charge before.
All you have to do is reach out your hand, on Lemmy, and you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine. That’s new. The stuff Chomsky talks about seems kind of antiquated now. But it was definitely in full-scale operation, and easily predictable in its features, in 2010.
you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine.
social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new, but extreme statism if not paid agents. The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques that are making most of the audience internalize evil. Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.
There is a certain group of people in the US that continue to give special treatment to Israel because they believe that helping Israel “restore” itself will more quickly bring the rapture and Armageddon. Interestingly enough this belief tends to include the idea that Jews and Muslims won’t survive the ensuing necessary war.
Israel has a very strong lobby here because the US is their only source of strength. Spain or France don’t have that kind of lobby because they aren’t entirely dependent on the US for survival.
I don’t understand how Israel gets to be so special. I also don’t get how any other nation would accept anything less, especially once the deal with Israel proved it (politically) can be done. Technical feasibility shouldn’t even be in question.
Well, I guess it’s nice that militaries get to “own nothing and be happy” too.
Because the assumption is that if Canada ever goes against US wishes, it means Canada is an enemy, and the kill switch goes off, but if Israel ever goes against US wishes, it means some lefty pinko commie got into office, and we must protect Israel’s role in the rapidly approaching rapture!
Ugh. This is the explanation I buy. It’s the only one more powerful than the constant drive for economic dominance demanding absolute control of everything.
It’s actually a very telling carve-out, and I have no idea what it’s doing so far down in the article. It should have been front and center.
The only two logical conclusions I can see are:
I very much suspect that it’s the second one. Which indicates that the lock-in was an intentional decision, and one that actually would make quite a bit of sense on reflection.
The foresight that using F35s for genocide could make some future US politician uppity.
I think it is far more likely that some other country would fall out of our good graces than that the US government might become anti-Israeli-genocide.
(I am not saying you’re wrong as far as the Israeli calculus or that factoring into their decision. Just that, as far as my own calculus, they don’t really have any need to get concerned.)
Biden made some meek complaints about 2000lb bombs being used in dense urban environment. Israel had to put up with a couple of weeks delay on more of them. They signed contract in 2010. Maybe DNC could have chosen Bernie instead of HRC (just kidding).
Oh, hello! I didn’t even notice it was you when I was replying. Good to see you found a way to shoehorn “Biden” and “DNC” and “Hillary” into this totally related topic. You did it real smoothly, too, it totally wasn’t some random hard turn into a rant about US politics and your favorite politicians from the US to talk about. Nice.
Israel’s genocidal ambitions were always there. Knowing the absolute control over US rulership and their ability to maintain genocide support through advances in mind control was not known in 2010.
What?
The US rulership’s wildly successful tactics of mind control, specifically as pertains to Israel, really haven’t changed much since Noam Chomsky was writing about them in 1988.
That’s actually part of the problem: New techniques in mind control have been being developed, including organized mass shilling on social media, and the US government hasn’t really gotten the hang of how to do it effectively. As a result they’ve lost control to a large extent over the US populace. However, the people who are now gaining control are somehow even worse than the pro-genocide contingent who were in charge before.
All you have to do is reach out your hand, on Lemmy, and you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine. That’s new. The stuff Chomsky talks about seems kind of antiquated now. But it was definitely in full-scale operation, and easily predictable in its features, in 2010.
social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new, but extreme statism if not paid agents. The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques that are making most of the audience internalize evil. Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.
There is a certain group of people in the US that continue to give special treatment to Israel because they believe that helping Israel “restore” itself will more quickly bring the rapture and Armageddon. Interestingly enough this belief tends to include the idea that Jews and Muslims won’t survive the ensuing necessary war.
Israel has a very strong lobby here because the US is their only source of strength. Spain or France don’t have that kind of lobby because they aren’t entirely dependent on the US for survival.
Plus it has the backing of the Evangelicals, for their own apocalyptic reasons
Very strong lobby and social media messaging operations.